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hello guys today we have a heck of a

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guest

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it's Greg Bishop there's so much we're

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gonna cover here it's gonna be

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unbelievable I heard this guy talk at

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the Utah UFO fest down in Cedar City and

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I was blown away so it's it's a blessing

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and truly an honor to have him here on

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whatever you want keep an eye out for a

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lot coming out and let's get Greg here

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the line hey hey Greg how you doing I'm

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doing well good good that's what I like

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to hear

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I'm eating my favorite breakfast which

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is leftover pizza and espresso that's

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perfect

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we're well I can't I can't wait to uh I

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don't know are you on the move right now

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from one place to another

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yeah what's the story what's the last

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time I saw you you were kind of going

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from one place to one event to another

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event and very busy I was after I came

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back from Utah where I saw you I went to

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Washington DC and and then to

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Williamsburg where my sister-in-law

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lives so that's where I was I was I

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wasn't on any I wasn't on any UFOs thing

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really I mean I I saw UFO people when I

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was in DC like Ben moss but no that's

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not that's very cool basically because

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my wife was the librarian and she was

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going for a librarians convention in DC

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so but before that I was in Utah for the

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Utah UFO Fest and that's where I saw you

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speak a nice book yeah that was that was

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I was amazed I loved what you spoke

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about and you know I kind of wanted to

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you know see if we could touch base on

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some of those things it's okay if I can

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yeah it was a new talkin it was only a

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second time I gave it it was a not

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significantly but it was much much

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changed from the first time I gave it

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yeah absolutely I would be honored okay

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your your volume is quite low is that

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because you get feedback right I can

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turn it up a little bit can you hear me

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okay I can hear you fine I just have to

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turn it up here a little bit I just

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don't want to make it too loud because

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okay let's leave it there I could hear

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you enough we can have a conversation

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that's no problem okay good deal I can't

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crank this up a little bit too yeah I

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when I when I heard your talk I

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you know with kind of mentally alerted

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at all times because you spoke so much

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about things that the majority of the

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population just ignore or when it comes

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up they make every effort to deflect

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from and I thought it would benefit

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everybody you know and like at least

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progress in in the form of knowledge and

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spiritually and everything else to kind

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of like hear some of the things that you

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were talking about how many books do you

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probably nine is perfect that's great

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flips by Jeff cry pole which is actually

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part of the inspiration for my talk oh

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cool okay here we go

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um what did I call it that's the earlier

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version of it I think I called it day

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you tell you our Pope s top oh yeah you

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ah my talk was called it exists what do

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we do about it science at its changing

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attitude towards the paranormal awesome

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yeah that was it yeah yeah it is and and

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I think you you really kind of douve in

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into some areas that you know frequently

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the study of voids some of the more

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esoteric areas that uh it was

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interesting yeah well what I did was I

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noticed well everybody listening is

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probably noticed this you and I and

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everybody listening that there's more

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coverage of particularly UFOs stuff in

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the news academia is paying more

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attention to it and not as quietly

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looking into it as it used to people are

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people that are younger like maybe under

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forty and I'm talking about people that

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journalists and all that they don't seem

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to be laughing at the subject as much

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anymore they seem to be wanting to

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tackle it as a serious subject or at

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least a subject not for Eurasian and to

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be swept under the table or whatever and

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those are the people that determine what

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people believe and what they talk about

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and what's talked about you know around

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the water cooler and all that they're

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doing that that means you know

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everything's that all the boats are

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being floated and that that more serious

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people are taking it seriously and I'll

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say something that I didn't say at the

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talk which is probably insulting but my

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idea is that the apology as we know it

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will disappear and people with degrees

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and money and and smarts and everything

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you need to push this thing forward will

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start looking at it and they already are

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- whether you follow just comes on and

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it says UFO expert nobody's gonna care

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anymore but if somebody comes on it's

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like you know so-and-so after

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and they're talking about he or she are

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talking about the subject then people

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will listen you know what I think that's

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great I mean I don't I don't really care

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if you follow Jesus goes by the wayside

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and become something else or something

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you know but it will it'll be forced to

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evolve if it survives and I think that's

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absolutely it's it served its purpose if

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it's able to direct the study into

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something that's more concentrated and

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focused on results am i right that would

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or at least inquiry in a way that is not

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there coming from other planets how do

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we prove it and and and say and

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eventually say I told you so to

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everybody that's completely the wrong

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been it's become very ego based

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unfortunately in and yeah well most

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anything you do is ego based but so

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there's since it's the Wild West in

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regards to how you look at this and how

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it's uh studied anybody can say I have a

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UFO expert that's I I was on no somehow

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I got on that unidentified Sean History

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Channel I was on last not last night's

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what last week's show and it's a Greg

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Bishop UFO expert author and UFO expert

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and I cringe because I'm not an expert

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on UFOs and if they put you follow gist

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I probably would have died I probably

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oh my god anything I'm just really

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interested in stuff if I was an expert

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there would be a recognized field I was

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in where I was an expert and to me

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apology is not a recognized field it's a

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it's an it's a group of people that are

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interested in something to varying

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degrees of interest involvement

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intelligence and everything I mean it's

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yes ability there's there's people that

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I think are really pushing things

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forward and have been for a while and

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have been recently and there's other

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and just keep looking to the past so I'm

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interested in those people that are

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pushing things forward and that's kind

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of what my talk was about I agree and

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you know I think that's no small feat to

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get on an identified that that's pretty

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awesome

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and I totally because of project beta

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and they just needed somebody to talk

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about you know to bring up the issue of

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is TTS a it's composed of intelligence

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people why should we believe then given

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what's happened in the past and I think

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that that was my only reason for being

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on there just to bring that out so they

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could say this has happened in the past

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it was horrible no we're not doing that

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that's basically what they did in that

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episode right and I don't know if I

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believe them but what as I said before

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it doesn't make me say I'm gonna crusade

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against them I think they've done a

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great job part of the reason we're

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talking now is is because of their

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effort right that's absolutely true that

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consciousness and awareness is a good

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deed and yeah you know regardless of

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what the harvest becomes after that it's

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it's it's dependent on so many things

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and yeah you know anyway navigating that

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is is just a whole I don't know it's

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it's very difficult just to navigate my

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own you know actions so when I go when I

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start going again on my show I'd like to

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have you come on and we'll talk about

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what you've been doing since I was

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fascinated with all your with your

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presentation everything you've looked

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into and my favorite part of your

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presentation was you didn't assign

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agency to anything you just said look at

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all this weird stuff that's going on

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who's know who knows what's but what

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this is it's not you know where they who

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are the aliens where are they coming

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from what do they look like you know all

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this stuff it's I I think the the

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approach of not having a specific source

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even though we know there's is one if

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there's got to be the approach of not

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saying this is

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this thing look at this thing that I

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figured out and you know because then

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you're already locked into a a belief

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system about what you're looking at

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since there's no way to prove it

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it just you know the belief system just

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builds upon itself and you didn't do

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that which is why I like your talk

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Thanks it's just it seems like that kind

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of is the the end of the conversation or

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the downfall to so many of these

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discussions is when people try to be the

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cowboys and wrangle up you know we're

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not cattle

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you know we're not Wranglers and we

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don't have to like you know round them

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up and move them and box them up into

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Corral's and name them we yeah this is

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we don't have to put things in boxes and

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because once you do that the

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conversation disappears and the ability

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to find more outer learn something is

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gone yeah you're putting in words you

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know what I try to say all the time the

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minute you you have an idea about it

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that's all you look at and is there you

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make an assertion about especially UFO

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issues you're gonna find fifty or

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hundred people that have it's not valid

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it's not equally valid but different

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opinions and all kinds of statistics and

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whatever they want to back it up it's a

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it's a giant roar shot clock

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it totally is it seems it's so often the

285
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people think that it's a crusade it's

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not you can do a crusade you're lost

287
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yeah that's the problem is your ego and

288
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your emotions are tied up in it and if

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that happens you're you're lost I mean

290
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that's not I think use the word

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scientific because I don't think science

292
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is exactly science is a tool we can use

293
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but it's not going to solve the issue

294
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it's not going to by itself it will not

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solve what's going on here mm-hmm I

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don't think I and I'm sorry I

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interrupted you no no I know I was dead

298
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completely I just it was a good listen

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you know what you were saying yeah all

300
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right yeah I'm sorry you were making a

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point no just just that it just is

302
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exactly what what you were what you were

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leading into yeah that's exactly what I

304
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was leading into yeah there's there's a

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part of our minds that nobody thinks

306
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about in the UFO subject Azhar all

307
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saying where is it coming from how big

308
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is it what color is and how fast is it

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going all these things and they leave

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out you know half or more of what's

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going on is which is how does it affect

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people how does it affect their lives

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how does it affect their psychology

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their personality people's lives are

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changed in 30 seconds sometimes but the

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place if I can create a piece of artwork

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that changed somebody's life in 30

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seconds I'd be a billionaire I'd be a

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multi billionaire because it'd be like

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nothing it's like having a religious

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conversion in a certain way and very

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specifically you know not even a certain

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way but in very specific ways that are

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proven over and over and over again

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since the beginning at Wilson's

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beginning of hit recorded history but

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especially you know in through the 20th

328
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century up to now when people have been

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studying it carefully they they don't

330
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care about the don't care about the

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effect on people what they care about is

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what is see or what is apparently seen

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and that to me that's less half or less

334
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than half of what's going on you've got

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to worry about you know what's going on

336
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how do they change people's beliefs you

337
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know why do people suddenly have you

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know have religious conversions or or

339
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get divorces or quit their jobs or

340
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whatever the hell because of this I mean

341
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that's really important part of the

342
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equation and nobody pays much attention

343
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to it yeah the the observer seems so

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integral in the occurrence or the event

345
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yeah so much of it is reliant on the

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observer and how it makes them feel and

347
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that got completely left out of the

348
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equation

349
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yeah we're not video and audio recorders

350
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that's what people treat that's what

351
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researchers treat people

352
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well you recorded something play it back

353
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for me

354
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you look into psychology at any level

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and you realize that we are not

356
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recording devices our memories are

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formed by our backgrounds our genetics

358
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are our culture past experience it's a

359
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traumatic experience nobody really

360
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thinks about that so there's all these

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factors going into it that show you that

362
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the reactions to an encounter with

363
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anything like this are quite individual

364
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and that has to be taken to an account

365
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in fact I think the best way for anybody

366
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to understand the subject is to have

367
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their own encounter because that's

368
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that's the only way to understand on

369
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your level and deeply within you as a

370
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person what it means to you

371
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I think I've you know Whitley Strieber

372
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said this a long time ago I mean it's if

373
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there's any kind of contact going on

374
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it's on in the most democratic way

375
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possible individual by individual and

376
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I'm not saying that there's aliens here

377
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doing anything to us but why I am saying

378
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is that the reactions are so

379
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individualistic that you cannot really

380
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make a database out of them right they

381
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seem to just do there's nothing like

382
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like you said as far as a database

383
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concern the only thing that they seem to

384
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do is drive at the core of whatever

385
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makes that individual function whether

386
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it be I think that's interesting that

387
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you said it can make changes as far as

388
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their behavior with like religious

389
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changes after these events or encounters

390
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or a divorce after these events or

391
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encounters almost as if these

392
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experiences are driven by something that

393
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resets some part of them yeah if they

394
00:19:06,789 --> 00:19:04,940
needed it I mean if you know if the

395
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Dalai Lama saw a UFO he'd probably say

396
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oh cool but I'm just using an extreme

397
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example

398
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but you know somebody with a lot of

399
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unresolved issues yeah it's like it

400
00:19:24,499 --> 00:19:22,950
probably throws all those switches like

401
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you know pay these unresolved issues

402
00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:26,249
have been sitting here here they all are

403
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you've been covering up forever

404
00:19:32,419 --> 00:19:29,519
everything is thrown into everything's

405
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thrown into a question here because what

406
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you thought you based your reality on

407
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doesn't seem to work anymore so what

408
00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:37,559
does that mean about everything else

409
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that you're unsure about or have

410
00:19:45,169 --> 00:19:43,289
unresolved I think that that's happening

411
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and the closer the encounter the more

412
00:19:48,230 --> 00:19:46,499
that happens I mean you just see a light

413
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going through the sky people just kind

414
00:19:51,230 --> 00:19:49,769
of like whoa who looks cool but

415
00:19:52,789 --> 00:19:51,240
something's sitting right in front of

416
00:19:55,369 --> 00:19:52,799
you beeping or something walking out of

417
00:19:57,470 --> 00:19:55,379
it or whatever that those are the ones

418
00:19:59,989 --> 00:19:57,480
that really start to affect people in

419
00:20:01,399 --> 00:19:59,999
deep ways because they're undeniable at

420
00:20:07,009 --> 00:20:01,409
that point it leads to the least of the

421
00:20:11,299 --> 00:20:07,019
witness yeah they kind of crumble some

422
00:20:13,970 --> 00:20:11,309
of those foundations yeah I mean it I

423
00:20:16,249 --> 00:20:13,980
guess it has to just basically putting

424
00:20:21,859 --> 00:20:16,259
huh I wrote something a long time ago I

425
00:20:24,350 --> 00:20:21,869
said is is the UFO you know phenomenon

426
00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:24,360
holding up a mirror to us every time we

427
00:20:30,799 --> 00:20:26,369
try and look too deeply into it I mean

428
00:20:33,350 --> 00:20:30,809
it's like it's not us it's you not it's

429
00:20:35,779 --> 00:20:33,360
not this it's you you're you're the your

430
00:20:40,399 --> 00:20:35,789
you know so you know I know yourself

431
00:20:42,259 --> 00:20:40,409
first and then maybe you can go a little

432
00:20:43,850 --> 00:20:42,269
bit further I mean your research should

433
00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:43,860
I think they should really be aware of

434
00:20:46,999 --> 00:20:45,570
what their motivations are before that

435
00:20:48,109 --> 00:20:47,009
and make sure that they're pure before

436
00:20:49,779 --> 00:20:48,119
they start looking otherwise you're

437
00:20:54,379 --> 00:20:49,789
getting too caught up in webs of of

438
00:20:55,730 --> 00:20:54,389
celebrity and belief and handshaking and

439
00:20:59,299 --> 00:20:55,740
all that other stuff don't get me wrong

440
00:21:01,999 --> 00:20:59,309
I love going to conventions and meetings

441
00:21:03,379 --> 00:21:02,009
and stuff like we met at and meeting all

442
00:21:05,629 --> 00:21:03,389
these people talking I think that's

443
00:21:07,310 --> 00:21:05,639
wonderful but when you make that you're

444
00:21:08,180 --> 00:21:07,320
you know I want to be on the lecture

445
00:21:10,850 --> 00:21:08,190
circuit please

446
00:21:12,379 --> 00:21:10,860
well why because you want to be an

447
00:21:15,139 --> 00:21:12,389
electric circuit or because you want to

448
00:21:16,639 --> 00:21:15,149
find out what's going on in and and get

449
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:16,649
some answers for yourself and that's the

450
00:21:19,879 --> 00:21:17,730
other thing I think you're trying to

451
00:21:22,879 --> 00:21:19,889
answer questions for yourself and you

452
00:21:24,289 --> 00:21:22,889
have to acknowledge that I see that in

453
00:21:25,180 --> 00:21:24,299
the in a little bit I've seen of your

454
00:21:27,549 --> 00:21:25,190
work and

455
00:21:32,849 --> 00:21:27,559
oh but I've talked to you yeah I think

456
00:21:35,739 --> 00:21:32,859
there is I think there is a bit of a

457
00:21:38,139 --> 00:21:35,749
know thyself you know you have to

458
00:21:39,789 --> 00:21:38,149
crumble foundations and and you don't

459
00:21:41,979 --> 00:21:39,799
have to fill in the gaps you know with

460
00:21:44,919 --> 00:21:41,989
with so often what I find with people is

461
00:21:49,629 --> 00:21:44,929
what do you think it is and like you

462
00:21:52,779 --> 00:21:49,639
were saying for me to name something

463
00:21:54,519 --> 00:21:52,789
that an entity that not only has most

464
00:21:58,499 --> 00:21:54,529
likely been around longer than I have

465
00:22:01,570 --> 00:21:58,509
but has an intricate knowledge of how a

466
00:22:03,249 --> 00:22:01,580
lot more works than I do and possibly

467
00:22:04,719 --> 00:22:03,259
even the way the universe works is the

468
00:22:06,609 --> 00:22:04,729
way that we believe the universe works

469
00:22:09,339 --> 00:22:06,619
if this is exactly what we think it is

470
00:22:10,989 --> 00:22:09,349
as a reality and I do want to come back

471
00:22:13,930 --> 00:22:10,999
to what you were saying about how the

472
00:22:17,859 --> 00:22:13,940
materialist nature of people is attacked

473
00:22:21,070 --> 00:22:17,869
when they have an event or a display

474
00:22:28,149 --> 00:22:21,080
when they become the observer to one of

475
00:22:32,049 --> 00:22:28,159
these celestial yes yeah thank you

476
00:22:34,239 --> 00:22:32,059
yes yeah a celestial machination in the

477
00:22:35,950 --> 00:22:34,249
sky or something that you know basically

478
00:22:38,919 --> 00:22:35,960
things that that had biblical

479
00:22:40,659 --> 00:22:38,929
proportions in antiquity and like you

480
00:22:42,249 --> 00:22:40,669
said when when when some of us see him

481
00:22:45,369 --> 00:22:42,259
now it's like oh cool look oh it's gone

482
00:22:47,710 --> 00:22:45,379
okay no biggie yeah but you know I love

483
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:47,720
seeing when somebody else sees that

484
00:22:54,249 --> 00:22:50,210
because it's I think I'm more of a guide

485
00:22:56,349 --> 00:22:54,259
by nature and like my favorite jobs have

486
00:22:58,029 --> 00:22:56,359
been you know fishing guide like things

487
00:23:00,369 --> 00:22:58,039
like that and it's not that I'm good at

488
00:23:03,279 --> 00:23:00,379
it it's just I enjoy seeing other people

489
00:23:07,060 --> 00:23:03,289
engage in phenomena more than I enjoy

490
00:23:10,210 --> 00:23:07,070
engaging that way you're good at it it's

491
00:23:13,450 --> 00:23:10,220
it's a unique principle but yeah you're

492
00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:13,460
right those those those base things are

493
00:23:18,339 --> 00:23:14,960
attacked when somebody when somebody

494
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:18,349
sees that they something they they look

495
00:23:26,379 --> 00:23:25,029
yeah I mean you're forced to and as

496
00:23:29,349 --> 00:23:26,389
you're saying this I'm thinking you know

497
00:23:31,839 --> 00:23:29,359
when somebody maybe you know whatever it

498
00:23:35,769 --> 00:23:31,849
is that other people are seeing are not

499
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:35,779
there to they're not purposely making

500
00:23:40,570 --> 00:23:38,330
people change or do whatever

501
00:23:42,430 --> 00:23:40,580
happens to seem a witness but that's

502
00:23:46,750 --> 00:23:42,440
just the nature of what happens when it

503
00:23:48,610 --> 00:23:46,760
appears it's like but like I said like

504
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:48,620
looking at a mirror doesn't care what's

505
00:23:53,769 --> 00:23:50,210
going on but it is going to show you who

506
00:23:57,009 --> 00:23:53,779
you are a mirror is just a mirror but

507
00:24:00,100 --> 00:23:57,019
what it does is it's far more profound

508
00:24:02,310 --> 00:24:00,110
than just a mirror so you know sometimes

509
00:24:06,190 --> 00:24:02,320
that's how I think of the UFO subject

510
00:24:08,049 --> 00:24:06,200
sometimes well I just think that's very

511
00:24:12,940 --> 00:24:08,059
interesting that you mention that

512
00:24:15,669 --> 00:24:12,950
because the UFO subject is not anything

513
00:24:18,190 --> 00:24:15,679
I love that comment ufology will

514
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:18,200
disappear eventually that that could be

515
00:24:24,879 --> 00:24:22,010
a two-fold good thing if you know if you

516
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:24,889
know it's gonna have a good part of it

517
00:24:30,250 --> 00:24:28,250
and a bad part of it but I believe yeah

518
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:30,260
you know it's as far as it might be

519
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:32,090
codified the good part is that maybe

520
00:24:36,820 --> 00:24:34,250
things will change a little mm-hmm I

521
00:24:38,379 --> 00:24:36,830
mean it's kind of fight now but it you

522
00:24:39,159 --> 00:24:38,389
know it'd be nice to see it codified in

523
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:39,169
some other way

524
00:24:43,419 --> 00:24:41,690
like with open-ended curiosity rather

525
00:24:46,450 --> 00:24:43,429
than I'll show you that it's Eiland is

526
00:24:52,259 --> 00:24:46,460
coming from other planets correct

527
00:24:55,570 --> 00:24:52,269
stepping in as has every other you know

528
00:24:57,879 --> 00:24:55,580
hierarchy in our past that was governing

529
00:24:59,889 --> 00:24:57,889
over us stepping in and saying this is

530
00:25:03,159 --> 00:24:59,899
what it is we will be the gatekeepers to

531
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:03,169
this knowledge and this new person on

532
00:25:08,259 --> 00:25:06,490
the block and you'll gradually get it

533
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:08,269
will tell you this information

534
00:25:13,769 --> 00:25:11,450
eventually but you guys can't handle it

535
00:25:15,970 --> 00:25:13,779
let us take care of it or at least this

536
00:25:18,970 --> 00:25:15,980
systematically has occurred a little bit

537
00:25:21,340 --> 00:25:18,980
in some of the larger cultures but I

538
00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:21,350
noticed that a lot of reference is being

539
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:23,360
made now towards the Greeks which I'm

540
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:25,010
amazed by because they had a completely

541
00:25:33,190 --> 00:25:28,690
different more of a Declassified

542
00:25:36,009 --> 00:25:33,200
explanation well the Greeks

543
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:36,019
where where they great great culture

544
00:25:40,029 --> 00:25:38,450
trip for a free BC you mean that Greek

545
00:25:43,210 --> 00:25:40,039
correct correct

546
00:25:45,700 --> 00:25:43,220
ah okay well I mean you know just this

547
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:45,710
this this talk that you hear so often of

548
00:25:51,940 --> 00:25:49,850
Greek mythology the gods speaking above

549
00:25:54,399 --> 00:25:51,950
you in areas I've

550
00:25:57,159 --> 00:25:54,409
noticed III hate to make even this

551
00:26:00,009 --> 00:25:57,169
connection and I don't want to equate it

552
00:26:01,919 --> 00:26:00,019
as the same thing but these disembodied

553
00:26:04,930 --> 00:26:01,929
voices of people here in a lot of these

554
00:26:08,049 --> 00:26:04,940
fringe areas or when they have a

555
00:26:11,470 --> 00:26:08,059
sighting of a UFO or when they're in the

556
00:26:13,870 --> 00:26:11,480
proximity of a display or lights in the

557
00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:13,880
sky or portal activity any of the stuff

558
00:26:18,820 --> 00:26:16,130
you hear a lot of these almost like

559
00:26:23,470 --> 00:26:18,830
mechanized or robotic or voices either

560
00:26:28,210 --> 00:26:23,480
mimicking mocking some kind of attempt

561
00:26:32,110 --> 00:26:28,220
to engage some some disembodied entity

562
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:32,120
noncorporeal maybe plasma intelligence I

563
00:26:39,820 --> 00:26:34,490
don't know when these type of things

564
00:26:42,519 --> 00:26:39,830
come into the mix is when I believe you

565
00:26:45,430 --> 00:26:42,529
know that area that no matter how you're

566
00:26:47,889 --> 00:26:45,440
brought up whether it's a religion is

567
00:26:49,899 --> 00:26:47,899
just you know a belief in my opinion in

568
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:49,909
what you believe in foundationally

569
00:26:56,789 --> 00:26:52,010
that's great but whatever it is these

570
00:26:59,230 --> 00:26:56,799
things tend to crumble a little bit ya

571
00:27:01,389 --> 00:26:59,240
know it's like if you become you

572
00:27:03,340 --> 00:27:01,399
instantly become an esoteric form of

573
00:27:05,830 --> 00:27:03,350
whatever your business in the esoteric

574
00:27:07,509 --> 00:27:05,840
form of whatever you're into rather than

575
00:27:08,860 --> 00:27:07,519
the exoteric which is you know everybody

576
00:27:11,049 --> 00:27:08,870
going to church and having tea had

577
00:27:13,269 --> 00:27:11,059
shaken hands and peace be with you and

578
00:27:17,860 --> 00:27:13,279
all that and but then there's the

579
00:27:20,350 --> 00:27:17,870
esoteric where you the experience of

580
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:20,360
that whatever that foundation you have

581
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:22,970
becomes more individualized and more

582
00:27:27,190 --> 00:27:25,490
meaningful to you I guess more people

583
00:27:30,639 --> 00:27:27,200
would call it a personal experience with

584
00:27:32,289 --> 00:27:30,649
God or whatever you want to call it it

585
00:27:34,690 --> 00:27:32,299
becomes more that way you're instantly

586
00:27:36,419 --> 00:27:34,700
an esoteric practitioner or or it blows

587
00:27:39,340 --> 00:27:36,429
that blows the gaskets and you just

588
00:27:42,370 --> 00:27:39,350
realize that at a certain level all

589
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:42,380
belief systems at least religious belief

590
00:27:51,129 --> 00:27:46,330
systems have kind of the same basic

591
00:27:53,230 --> 00:27:51,139
underpinnings in them and that it's just

592
00:27:57,450 --> 00:27:53,240
seeing through different cultural lenses

593
00:28:00,970 --> 00:27:57,460
I think that the the the UFO witness

594
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:00,980
will often realize this even though they

595
00:28:03,369 --> 00:28:02,570
can't really put it into words or see it

596
00:28:05,330 --> 00:28:03,379
in that way

597
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:05,340
and I'm

598
00:28:10,550 --> 00:28:08,010
with my point of view no I think you're

599
00:28:13,100 --> 00:28:10,560
a hundred percent correct the the UFO

600
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:13,110
witness is treated a lot like you know

601
00:28:20,150 --> 00:28:16,410
the heretics were or you know at least

602
00:28:22,190 --> 00:28:20,160
traditionally like the way that someone

603
00:28:24,650 --> 00:28:22,200
that is talking about something they

604
00:28:26,090 --> 00:28:24,660
shouldn't be talking about or a soul

605
00:28:29,270 --> 00:28:26,100
consciousness that's attained of

606
00:28:32,420 --> 00:28:29,280
evolution I'm sure exactly yeah I just

607
00:28:34,340 --> 00:28:32,430
went to the couple of weeks ago I went

608
00:28:36,790 --> 00:28:34,350
to the context in the desert because

609
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:36,800
there were people there I wanted to see

610
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:42,290
and I felt like for talks I mean I think

611
00:28:47,900 --> 00:28:45,210
and to Oklahoma or Whitley Street were

612
00:28:49,370 --> 00:28:47,910
in shock away because I had to there's

613
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:49,380
no way around it there to my favorite

614
00:29:00,140 --> 00:28:57,740
Lulay was assisted with and is in a film

615
00:29:03,140 --> 00:29:00,150
called witness of another world

616
00:29:06,050 --> 00:29:03,150
it's Argentinian cell it's not coming

617
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:06,060
out till September 24th but they showed

618
00:29:14,770 --> 00:29:10,530
the film at the convention and then dr.

619
00:29:18,530 --> 00:29:14,780
brulee and the filmmaker talked about it

620
00:29:21,260 --> 00:29:18,540
afterwards and what really struck well

621
00:29:24,500 --> 00:29:21,270
I'll try and like encapsulate the film

622
00:29:26,150 --> 00:29:24,510
what it is it's like this this man he's

623
00:29:28,270 --> 00:29:26,160
a man now but he had this experience

624
00:29:30,620 --> 00:29:28,280
with something that landed and something

625
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:30,630
he went up a ladder and went in some

626
00:29:36,110 --> 00:29:33,810
kind of structured appearing craft when

627
00:29:40,370 --> 00:29:36,120
he was 12 and this occurred in Argentina

628
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:40,380
I think it like in 1978 what happened

629
00:29:44,900 --> 00:29:42,930
was that it estranged him from first his

630
00:29:47,630 --> 00:29:44,910
family or his community and then his

631
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:47,640
family and he was living out in the

632
00:29:53,150 --> 00:29:50,130
middle of nowhere in Argentina just you

633
00:29:55,100 --> 00:29:53,160
know as kind of a weirdo that nobody

634
00:29:56,690 --> 00:29:55,110
would talk to because of this experience

635
00:30:00,080 --> 00:29:56,700
he had when he was 12 that he could not

636
00:30:02,890 --> 00:30:00,090
integrate into his life and as he told

637
00:30:06,050 --> 00:30:02,900
that he had nightmares every night about

638
00:30:08,780 --> 00:30:06,060
this filming maker came out to visit him

639
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:08,790
and at least I was depicted in the film

640
00:30:18,740 --> 00:30:11,610
very slowly got him to talk about what

641
00:30:22,730 --> 00:30:18,750
happened to himself and then they

642
00:30:25,550 --> 00:30:22,740
took this witness out to an indigenous

643
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:25,560
tribe in Argentina which I guess he's

644
00:30:32,180 --> 00:30:30,240
you know he he he is part of its

645
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:32,190
Heritage's indigenous tribe although

646
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:34,770
he'd never met any of them when he gets

647
00:30:40,220 --> 00:30:37,200
there they tell him your experience is

648
00:30:42,830 --> 00:30:40,230
not weird it's a pretty normal thing

649
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:42,840
this is how it fits into our cosmology

650
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:45,090
you're actually probably kind of lucky

651
00:30:47,690 --> 00:30:46,650
that it happened to you and you

652
00:30:49,670 --> 00:30:47,700
shouldn't worry about it used to

653
00:30:51,770 --> 00:30:49,680
celebrate it and they accepted him into

654
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:51,780
the tribe and gave him a name a tribal

655
00:30:57,260 --> 00:30:55,440
name and all this he went back home his

656
00:30:59,630 --> 00:30:57,270
family he got back together with his

657
00:31:01,460 --> 00:30:59,640
family they showed the film and the town

658
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:01,470
he was from and the filmmaker said

659
00:31:05,690 --> 00:31:03,570
people started crying and apologizing

660
00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:05,700
they felt so bad for him and there they

661
00:31:09,410 --> 00:31:07,440
felt so horrible that they treat him so

662
00:31:12,050 --> 00:31:09,420
badly the guy got his life back

663
00:31:14,090 --> 00:31:12,060
mm-hmm because of this because of this

664
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:14,100
filmmaker the Stillman and boule coming

665
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:15,330
and talk to him because he had talked to

666
00:31:20,150 --> 00:31:17,610
him originally I think a year or two or

667
00:31:23,690 --> 00:31:20,160
maybe less around before the original I

668
00:31:27,260 --> 00:31:23,700
mean after the original experience so

669
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:27,270
boule comes back like what forty years

670
00:31:33,500 --> 00:31:30,000
later and a little over forty years

671
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:33,510
later to talk to the guy and find out

672
00:31:38,810 --> 00:31:36,960
what's going on after the film well I

673
00:31:41,390 --> 00:31:38,820
said something that stuck with me he

674
00:31:45,010 --> 00:31:41,400
said you know people are looking in

675
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:45,020
government files and and other places

676
00:31:50,060 --> 00:31:48,330
for the answer to this to the phenomenon

677
00:31:52,700 --> 00:31:50,070
and he said that's not the phenomenon

678
00:31:55,550 --> 00:31:52,710
this is what happened in this film of

679
00:31:59,150 --> 00:31:55,560
this witness this is the phenomenon and

680
00:32:00,830 --> 00:31:59,160
I totally got that mm-hmm and it was it

681
00:32:04,730 --> 00:32:00,840
was amazing to me I mean it's like yeah

682
00:32:06,830 --> 00:32:04,740
you're right but in in helping a witness

683
00:32:09,470 --> 00:32:06,840
to understand or at least accept or

684
00:32:12,110 --> 00:32:09,480
somehow come to terms with what happened

685
00:32:14,150 --> 00:32:12,120
to them you're actually you're actually

686
00:32:17,390 --> 00:32:14,160
studying whatever it is because you're

687
00:32:18,980 --> 00:32:17,400
studying its effects Quran in this in

688
00:32:20,570 --> 00:32:18,990
this way one you're helping somebody

689
00:32:22,730 --> 00:32:20,580
which is the most important thing and

690
00:32:24,620 --> 00:32:22,740
two you're getting more of an insight as

691
00:32:25,940 --> 00:32:24,630
to what's going on rather than just you

692
00:32:27,830 --> 00:32:25,950
know collecting a whole bunch of stuff

693
00:32:29,570 --> 00:32:27,840
throw in a database and say look see

694
00:32:31,340 --> 00:32:29,580
here there's something going on we know

695
00:32:32,290 --> 00:32:31,350
there's something going on just about

696
00:32:35,390 --> 00:32:32,300
everybody does

697
00:32:38,210 --> 00:32:35,400
mm-hmm but you know what does it do to

698
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:38,220
people how does it affect them that's

699
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:40,050
the only thing we have we don't have you

700
00:32:44,170 --> 00:32:41,490
know except for some physical ground

701
00:32:47,420 --> 00:32:44,180
traces and maybe some you know pieces if

702
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:47,430
you uh if you accept what T TSA and

703
00:32:53,420 --> 00:32:50,880
others have said about having artifacts

704
00:32:55,250 --> 00:32:53,430
all really most of us you know the vast

705
00:32:57,530 --> 00:32:55,260
majority the databases people's

706
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:57,540
experiences so maybe that's what she'd

707
00:33:03,860 --> 00:33:00,720
be concentrating on I agree it's it's

708
00:33:06,500 --> 00:33:03,870
and you know I love that it's coming to

709
00:33:07,910 --> 00:33:06,510
this because the I like how you call

710
00:33:11,660 --> 00:33:07,920
them the lucky ones or at least they

711
00:33:13,100 --> 00:33:11,670
they told him that he could have been

712
00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:13,110
one of the lucky ones having this

713
00:33:18,620 --> 00:33:16,320
display or an opening of information and

714
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:18,630
with yeah I made a paraphrase or you

715
00:33:22,580 --> 00:33:20,130
know taking things out of context but

716
00:33:26,180 --> 00:33:22,590
there's a point once for that tribe look

717
00:33:28,670 --> 00:33:26,190
this is not weird it's pretty normal and

718
00:33:31,220 --> 00:33:28,680
you shouldn't be freaked out about it's

719
00:33:33,770 --> 00:33:31,230
a it's it's totally you know it's it's

720
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:33,780
totally accepted you know they have a

721
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:36,450
different idea about it but it's not you

722
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:38,010
know space aliens coming brother to

723
00:33:41,690 --> 00:33:39,810
planets I don't know what their idea is

724
00:33:43,310 --> 00:33:41,700
in fact the filmmaker didn't even tell

725
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:43,320
you what generally with their idea was

726
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:44,850
about it which I thought was great the

727
00:33:50,950 --> 00:33:47,490
best that's the best and that's how

728
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:50,960
fillet is he's very he's fascinatingly

729
00:33:59,840 --> 00:33:57,570
open-minded and unprejudiced yeah it's

730
00:34:01,580 --> 00:33:59,850
yeah so I'm glad he was involved in the

731
00:34:03,140 --> 00:34:01,590
film I mean it was almost by chance who

732
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:03,150
the filmmaker wrote him and said okay

733
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:04,410
you know you were involved in this thing

734
00:34:09,169 --> 00:34:07,530
this thing years ago and I'm talking to

735
00:34:10,820 --> 00:34:09,179
this guy now you're interested in ballet

736
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:10,830
suddenly said yeah I'm very interested

737
00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:13,169
in he actually told he told us he spent

738
00:34:16,190 --> 00:34:14,879
six months relearning Spanish like you

739
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:16,200
talked with a witness and then the film

740
00:34:21,530 --> 00:34:18,720
is there talking to him in Spanish which

741
00:34:23,300 --> 00:34:21,540
is wonderful that's so and and and hope

742
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:23,310
helping somebody out which I you know

743
00:34:27,350 --> 00:34:25,290
you said it's the most yeah yeah he said

744
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:27,360
you know what most important thing is

745
00:34:32,119 --> 00:34:30,000
just helping somebody out with with the

746
00:34:35,180 --> 00:34:32,129
weirdness if it's bothering them you

747
00:34:36,590 --> 00:34:35,190
know because one you're left with

748
00:34:39,169 --> 00:34:36,600
somebody that doesn't have a ruined wife

749
00:34:41,720 --> 00:34:39,179
anymore and to you add something

750
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:41,730
probably to your personal database more

751
00:34:46,020 --> 00:34:43,290
than something you can throw out there

752
00:34:49,109 --> 00:34:46,030
and say look whatever

753
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:49,119
but it's it's it's data points for you

754
00:34:53,089 --> 00:34:51,010
like okay this person was affected this

755
00:34:55,409 --> 00:34:53,099
way and this is what happened to them

756
00:34:56,909 --> 00:34:55,419
you can write that up I don't know if

757
00:34:58,740 --> 00:34:56,919
you can put it in a like I said I don't

758
00:35:02,609 --> 00:34:58,750
think you can put it in a in a bunch of

759
00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:02,619
columns and a database that you have if

760
00:35:06,210 --> 00:35:04,720
I collect it it's almost like collecting

761
00:35:07,710 --> 00:35:06,220
a bunch of paintings by an artist you

762
00:35:09,839 --> 00:35:07,720
like and trying to figure out what that

763
00:35:12,089 --> 00:35:09,849
artist is trying to say through a series

764
00:35:14,819 --> 00:35:12,099
of you know 400 different pieces of

765
00:35:16,380 --> 00:35:14,829
artwork they put out ie the UFO you know

766
00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:16,390
whatever the source of the UFO they get

767
00:35:21,349 --> 00:35:18,730
it's throwing out artworks to you and

768
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:21,359
you have to figure out what they mean

769
00:35:32,190 --> 00:35:27,609
yes and do you think Greg in your

770
00:35:35,940 --> 00:35:32,200
opinion in reference to the loss of the

771
00:35:37,980 --> 00:35:35,950
old self or the after an event or

772
00:35:41,250 --> 00:35:37,990
display or the the shaking of the

773
00:35:43,290 --> 00:35:41,260
foundation so to speak this yeah this

774
00:35:45,690 --> 00:35:43,300
that I think you know what we were

775
00:35:47,609 --> 00:35:45,700
talking about with the tribe they and I

776
00:35:49,290 --> 00:35:47,619
don't want to paraphrase or like assume

777
00:35:51,300 --> 00:35:49,300
what you were they were getting at even

778
00:35:55,020 --> 00:35:51,310
because as you said they didn't say but

779
00:35:57,630 --> 00:35:55,030
it sounds like it's more of a life quest

780
00:36:00,329 --> 00:35:57,640
or a Vision Quest a search within

781
00:36:03,660 --> 00:36:00,339
thyself and this is part of the losing

782
00:36:05,579 --> 00:36:03,670
the old yeah yeah you didn't have to go

783
00:36:07,740 --> 00:36:05,589
out there and fast and you know whatever

784
00:36:10,319 --> 00:36:07,750
the hell else you do for a Vision Quest

785
00:36:13,589 --> 00:36:10,329
or a shamanic initiation or whatever it

786
00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:13,599
was handed to him he didn't expect that

787
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:16,240
he didn't particularly want it but it

788
00:36:22,740 --> 00:36:19,930
was added to it and so that that I think

789
00:36:25,349 --> 00:36:22,750
that's what their point was it's you

790
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:25,359
were you were somehow chosen to be to

791
00:36:31,319 --> 00:36:28,690
have this experience and that must mean

792
00:36:33,240 --> 00:36:31,329
that you have either something special

793
00:36:38,010 --> 00:36:33,250
about you or you were ready for it or

794
00:36:39,870 --> 00:36:38,020
you needed it or you know this was your

795
00:36:41,309 --> 00:36:39,880
purpose part of your purpose here while

796
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:41,319
you're here on earth you know all these

797
00:36:46,050 --> 00:36:43,810
things were I think were communicated to

798
00:36:48,750 --> 00:36:46,060
him and in that context beats he was

799
00:36:51,660 --> 00:36:48,760
totally okay with it now I don't know

800
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:51,670
from a Western context from a North

801
00:36:58,410 --> 00:36:56,890
American context cultural context you

802
00:36:59,550 --> 00:36:58,420
know how could how how could that be

803
00:37:03,150 --> 00:36:59,560
integrated I

804
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:03,160
when I've seen the Dalai Lama twice you

805
00:37:07,830 --> 00:37:05,200
know that pro-life multi day teachings

806
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:07,840
it was in it was in LA in Pasadena I

807
00:37:13,500 --> 00:37:09,490
mean it was I didn't travel in India and

808
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:13,510
stay at the ashram or anything no but he

809
00:37:18,420 --> 00:37:14,770
said something which I thought was

810
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:18,430
pretty interesting this crowd of 4,000

811
00:37:22,740 --> 00:37:20,530
people are sitting in the Pasadena Civic

812
00:37:26,970 --> 00:37:22,750
Auditorium and he's up there speaking in

813
00:37:29,700 --> 00:37:26,980
Tibetan most of the time and there's a

814
00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:29,710
guy translating and one of the questions

815
00:37:37,140 --> 00:37:33,040
was you know how do I find spiritual

816
00:37:38,850 --> 00:37:37,150
peace or whatever through Buddhism and

817
00:37:42,090 --> 00:37:38,860
specifically Tibetan Buddhism and it's

818
00:37:43,770 --> 00:37:42,100
all encompassing if you're not Tibetan

819
00:37:44,940 --> 00:37:43,780
you probably shouldn't be looking for it

820
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:44,950
here because it's not part of your

821
00:37:48,300 --> 00:37:46,930
heritage that's not going to make sense

822
00:37:49,980 --> 00:37:48,310
really a lot of sense to you and there

823
00:37:52,350 --> 00:37:49,990
was a huge gasp in the audience

824
00:37:54,420 --> 00:37:52,360
mm-hmm and I loved it he's like look

825
00:37:56,070 --> 00:37:54,430
don't don't come to us looking for

826
00:37:58,590 --> 00:37:56,080
answers the answers probably lie a lot

827
00:38:00,030 --> 00:37:58,600
closer to home than you think in places

828
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:00,040
that you've rejected because it's been

829
00:38:07,290 --> 00:38:05,050
sold to you wrong you know so that's

830
00:38:09,150 --> 00:38:07,300
kind of what I think of with the UFO

831
00:38:10,590 --> 00:38:09,160
thing we have to find context that our

832
00:38:12,270 --> 00:38:10,600
own culture that makes sense to the

833
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:12,280
people from that culture and I don't

834
00:38:15,540 --> 00:38:14,170
know what ours is ours is all messed up

835
00:38:19,140 --> 00:38:15,550
it's aliens coming from other planets

836
00:38:20,370 --> 00:38:19,150
proving you in the but like well that's

837
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:20,380
not gonna make a lot of people very

838
00:38:32,900 --> 00:38:28,570
happy it it does seem like these voices

839
00:38:37,470 --> 00:38:32,910
from the other side have a wide array of

840
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:37,480
I mean just when you when you see these

841
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:39,610
charts of entities like you're talking

842
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:43,210
about from a ufology perspective and you

843
00:38:51,330 --> 00:38:47,530
know the it's really whatever you need

844
00:38:53,940 --> 00:38:51,340
them to be and there's a lot of them and

845
00:38:56,340 --> 00:38:53,950
I'm I'm not a not trying to make any

846
00:38:59,520 --> 00:38:56,350
justification of you know whether there

847
00:39:00,570 --> 00:38:59,530
are or there aren't aliens because of

848
00:39:03,900 --> 00:39:00,580
course there's going to be something

849
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:03,910
different to us or alien to us and I

850
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:06,490
think someone so often the semantics are

851
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:09,130
is mixed with you know Hollywood and and

852
00:39:12,170 --> 00:39:11,770
this universal consciousness is attained

853
00:39:13,839 --> 00:39:12,180
and

854
00:39:16,370 --> 00:39:13,849
Elson you're dealing with this

855
00:39:21,859 --> 00:39:16,380
smokescreen that you can't get through

856
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:21,869
if you wanted to yeah it's ten times

857
00:39:25,549 --> 00:39:23,130
worse for somebody who's gone through

858
00:39:27,770 --> 00:39:25,559
some of these things because everybody's

859
00:39:31,790 --> 00:39:27,780
trying to tell them what it means mm-hmm

860
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:31,800
and that's not what it means to them so

861
00:39:35,900 --> 00:39:34,290
I think the idea should be you know why

862
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:35,910
don't we provide people with the tools

863
00:39:39,650 --> 00:39:37,410
to find out what it means to them and

864
00:39:41,660 --> 00:39:39,660
not force anything upon them I mean

865
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:41,670
unless they let's say start a religion

866
00:39:44,750 --> 00:39:43,410
and start trying to control people and

867
00:39:47,660 --> 00:39:44,760
asking and for money and everything that

868
00:39:50,540 --> 00:39:47,670
that becomes a manifestation of the ego

869
00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:50,550
and that's bad but if they can come to

870
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:52,730
some kind of personal peace with it and

871
00:39:57,020 --> 00:39:55,650
go on with their lives either you know

872
00:39:58,339 --> 00:39:57,030
would this an integral part of their

873
00:40:00,290 --> 00:39:58,349
lives or at least where they can say

874
00:40:02,569 --> 00:40:00,300
okay it goes in that box now I'm gonna

875
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:02,579
continue with you know going to work and

876
00:40:09,380 --> 00:40:04,650
having relationships and whatever the

877
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:09,390
hell right yeah yeah there's two no

878
00:40:13,309 --> 00:40:11,760
Timothy Nestle ecology should be is just

879
00:40:14,690 --> 00:40:13,319
like find people that know how to take

880
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:14,700
care of people and let them find their

881
00:40:19,549 --> 00:40:17,010
own way rather than trying to show them

882
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:19,559
what they think it is and I'm gonna put

883
00:40:23,690 --> 00:40:21,930
you in my book and I'm gonna go on this

884
00:40:24,859 --> 00:40:23,700
leg can I can I use your story in my

885
00:40:27,890 --> 00:40:24,869
lecture and blah blah blah

886
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:27,900
I find it's interesting that a lot of

887
00:40:38,049 --> 00:40:32,730
individuals gradually that are involved

888
00:40:44,359 --> 00:40:40,819
without without you know you can't you

889
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:44,369
can't make generalizations but they it

890
00:40:54,289 --> 00:40:46,970
seems like they gradually develop a new

891
00:40:58,549 --> 00:40:54,299
self that is you know they become a

892
00:40:59,960 --> 00:40:58,559
happier in a sense because and I think

893
00:41:01,760 --> 00:40:59,970
that's kind of what it's all about is

894
00:41:05,180 --> 00:41:01,770
you know just becoming happy with

895
00:41:09,230 --> 00:41:05,190
yourself and with what your journey is

896
00:41:11,900 --> 00:41:09,240
what you've seen and experienced and you

897
00:41:13,370 --> 00:41:11,910
there they become very I've you know you

898
00:41:16,339 --> 00:41:13,380
hear it all the time oh that person's

899
00:41:17,630 --> 00:41:16,349
bulletproof or oh wow that you know this

900
00:41:19,370 --> 00:41:17,640
happen to that person and they hardly

901
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:19,380
flinched

902
00:41:26,019 --> 00:41:21,650
in it I don't think that it's

903
00:41:31,339 --> 00:41:28,880
exoteric physical reaction to an event

904
00:41:33,380 --> 00:41:31,349
is you know that meaningful or showing

905
00:41:36,260 --> 00:41:33,390
of somebody's divine character or

906
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:36,270
whatever but at the same time they seem

907
00:41:41,059 --> 00:41:39,210
more okay with whatever happens like you

908
00:41:42,650 --> 00:41:41,069
said about the Dali Lama if they saw

909
00:41:46,250 --> 00:41:42,660
something happened they would be more at

910
00:41:48,349 --> 00:41:46,260
peace with it and more observant of how

911
00:41:54,799 --> 00:41:48,359
they react to the situation then

912
00:41:57,140 --> 00:41:54,809
reaction reactionary mmm-hmm yeah I mean

913
00:41:59,089 --> 00:41:57,150
that that I hope things are changing in

914
00:42:01,670 --> 00:41:59,099
that direction I hope I mean I see the

915
00:42:03,410 --> 00:42:01,680
door opening it's not like I've been

916
00:42:05,150 --> 00:42:03,420
hammering on that for years or anything

917
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:05,160
like that but what I have been

918
00:42:09,620 --> 00:42:07,650
interested in for the longest time is

919
00:42:11,299 --> 00:42:09,630
one what's wrong with you follow gee and

920
00:42:16,549 --> 00:42:11,309
why don't we change it or get rid of it

921
00:42:18,980 --> 00:42:16,559
and and to what you know what do we

922
00:42:21,349 --> 00:42:18,990
replace it with and for the last maybe

923
00:42:24,319 --> 00:42:21,359
ten years I've been hammering on my show

924
00:42:30,130 --> 00:42:24,329
in other places like let's get people

925
00:42:32,750 --> 00:42:30,140
that are people that are not UFO fans

926
00:42:34,609 --> 00:42:32,760
interested in this and let's let them

927
00:42:39,609 --> 00:42:34,619
look at it from their point of view and

928
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:39,619
from their discipline without and

929
00:42:45,050 --> 00:42:42,960
somehow get rid of that stigma and TTS a

930
00:42:47,410 --> 00:42:45,060
did it a bit

931
00:42:49,970 --> 00:42:47,420
[Music]

932
00:42:50,349 --> 00:42:49,980
Diana passel cos looked which I like a

933
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:50,359
lot

934
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:52,890
American cosmic that's doing it a bit

935
00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:56,130
Jeffery cripples work he's got a book

936
00:43:00,049 --> 00:42:57,680
called the flip right now which is

937
00:43:01,730 --> 00:43:00,059
basically this subject you know what

938
00:43:03,740 --> 00:43:01,740
what is science doing and how can it

939
00:43:05,930 --> 00:43:03,750
change what is the history of science

940
00:43:11,059 --> 00:43:05,940
how has it changed and what can be done

941
00:43:14,089 --> 00:43:11,069
now to address anomalous issues in the

942
00:43:15,740 --> 00:43:14,099
scientific community that's the I think

943
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:15,750
that's one of the most important things

944
00:43:20,750 --> 00:43:18,240
going on right now and nobody is paying

945
00:43:22,279 --> 00:43:20,760
any attention to it really which is

946
00:43:23,839 --> 00:43:22,289
probably a good thing because all these

947
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:23,849
people can do their work and pursue

948
00:43:28,940 --> 00:43:27,119
their their interests quietly in the

949
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:28,950
background as they should and then when

950
00:43:34,190 --> 00:43:30,480
they come to some sort and then talk

951
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:34,200
with each other and if something some

952
00:43:40,220 --> 00:43:36,650
sort of consensus is reached

953
00:43:42,830 --> 00:43:40,230
they can talk about that I'm not a

954
00:43:44,990 --> 00:43:42,840
secrecy person but I am a you know I

955
00:43:46,820 --> 00:43:45,000
have a fan of just shutting up about

956
00:43:48,260 --> 00:43:46,830
what you're doing until you get to some

957
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:48,270
sort of point where you can report it to

958
00:43:55,550 --> 00:43:50,640
people and I think that's what a lot of

959
00:43:57,530 --> 00:43:55,560
these academics and scientists are doing

960
00:43:59,420 --> 00:43:57,540
in a large part because a lot of them

961
00:44:03,200 --> 00:43:59,430
have had experiences and some of them

962
00:44:06,860 --> 00:44:03,210
can admit it amazingly enough mm-hmm

963
00:44:11,210 --> 00:44:06,870
there's a guy Kary Mullis who's a Nobel

964
00:44:13,220 --> 00:44:11,220
Prize winner for chemistry he's competed

965
00:44:17,240 --> 00:44:13,230
he's been quite open about his weird

966
00:44:19,220 --> 00:44:17,250
experiences and he can't explain them

967
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:19,230
but he realizes that science isn't

968
00:44:24,110 --> 00:44:21,210
touching everything every part of your

969
00:44:27,260 --> 00:44:24,120
reality in the human experience so he's

970
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:27,270
interested in figuring out how that you

971
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:30,090
know how that reality in that human

972
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:33,210
experience have been what if science

973
00:44:37,580 --> 00:44:35,040
missing here and he thinks it's a huge

974
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:37,590
chunk and I agree with him and so do the

975
00:44:43,460 --> 00:44:39,690
people in American cosmic that dr.

976
00:44:44,990 --> 00:44:43,470
posaga talks about you know we've gone

977
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:45,000
to the moon we've done all these other

978
00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:48,210
wonderful things but we're not dealing

979
00:44:52,010 --> 00:44:50,160
with this giant piece of weirdness

980
00:44:53,780 --> 00:44:52,020
that's sitting right in front of us as I

981
00:44:57,650 --> 00:44:53,790
said in my says the title of my talk it

982
00:44:59,780 --> 00:44:57,660
exists what do we do about it mm-hmm and

983
00:45:01,790 --> 00:44:59,790
I think that's a good title and that's a

984
00:45:04,940 --> 00:45:01,800
good name for it it you know you don't

985
00:45:07,820 --> 00:45:04,950
it's not yeah the seeds have been

986
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:07,830
planted and you know planting the seeds

987
00:45:11,390 --> 00:45:09,210
is the best somebody can do I think

988
00:45:13,180 --> 00:45:11,400
above and beyond that it's just not our

989
00:45:17,330 --> 00:45:13,190
job

990
00:45:21,110 --> 00:45:17,340
but it's it's very interesting how it

991
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:21,120
does seem like these gateways and these

992
00:45:28,190 --> 00:45:25,650
dams of information that have been held

993
00:45:32,180 --> 00:45:28,200
you know whether they're internally held

994
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:32,190
by the masses or just kind of in this

995
00:45:35,450 --> 00:45:34,530
universal consciousness when it comes to

996
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:35,460
this subject

997
00:45:43,070 --> 00:45:38,970
they are crumbling they're disappearing

998
00:45:46,250 --> 00:45:43,080
a lot you know a lot of these polls are

999
00:45:48,410 --> 00:45:46,260
showing that the masses believe it's a

1000
00:45:50,319 --> 00:45:48,420
lot more likely that something other

1001
00:45:53,559 --> 00:45:50,329
than ourselves exists

1002
00:45:55,269 --> 00:45:53,569
things that been then before it's

1003
00:45:58,120 --> 00:45:55,279
interesting there's there's a definite

1004
00:45:59,529 --> 00:45:58,130
change yes I think people is known and

1005
00:46:01,419 --> 00:45:59,539
thought and believed this for quite a

1006
00:46:03,489 --> 00:46:01,429
long time it's just that they've had to

1007
00:46:07,390 --> 00:46:03,499
drag academia and science kicking and

1008
00:46:08,949 --> 00:46:07,400
screaming to that point of view and it's

1009
00:46:10,269 --> 00:46:08,959
not because people are stupid or

1010
00:46:12,759 --> 00:46:10,279
anything like that it's because people

1011
00:46:15,189 --> 00:46:12,769
can people realize when there's you know

1012
00:46:17,289 --> 00:46:15,199
three thousand reports of something

1013
00:46:21,579 --> 00:46:17,299
staring you in the face it everybody

1014
00:46:22,929 --> 00:46:21,589
can't be lying or delusional I don't

1015
00:46:24,459 --> 00:46:22,939
think more than three thousand I mean

1016
00:46:25,749 --> 00:46:24,469
thousands of thousands of thousands of

1017
00:46:28,689 --> 00:46:25,759
reports and those are just people that

1018
00:46:30,219 --> 00:46:28,699
say something about it the people that

1019
00:46:34,089 --> 00:46:30,229
don't say anything about it are probably

1020
00:46:35,709 --> 00:46:34,099
more quite even more vast because

1021
00:46:37,380 --> 00:46:35,719
they're afraid of being made fun of or

1022
00:46:43,390 --> 00:46:37,390
it's freak them out or whatever but yeah

1023
00:46:47,019 --> 00:46:43,400
the so it does exist I got that phrase I

1024
00:46:49,359 --> 00:46:47,029
believe paraphrase from a group called

1025
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:49,369
the Russian cosmos who were 19th century

1026
00:46:55,630 --> 00:46:52,729
philosopher scientists in Russia and

1027
00:46:58,419 --> 00:46:55,640
they they did not particularly care

1028
00:47:01,569 --> 00:46:58,429
whether whether their philosophy

1029
00:47:04,449 --> 00:47:01,579
included something existing or not what

1030
00:47:07,059 --> 00:47:04,459
they wanted to know was if it did exists

1031
00:47:07,479 --> 00:47:07,069
great and if it does what do we do about

1032
00:47:12,489 --> 00:47:07,489
it

1033
00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:12,499
is there some way we can make our lives

1034
00:47:16,179 --> 00:47:14,089
better by understanding whatever this

1035
00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:16,189
thing is that under die undeniably

1036
00:47:22,329 --> 00:47:20,089
exists whatever it might be that you

1037
00:47:24,759 --> 00:47:22,339
know that one of the early Russian

1038
00:47:29,019 --> 00:47:24,769
cosmas was a guy and what's his name

1039
00:47:32,769 --> 00:47:29,029
Konstantin Tsiolkovsky not Tchaikovsky

1040
00:47:34,959 --> 00:47:32,779
but Tchaikovsky he was um she had an

1041
00:47:37,509 --> 00:47:34,969
idea that that human beings would live

1042
00:47:39,910 --> 00:47:37,519
forever at some point if technology

1043
00:47:40,839 --> 00:47:39,920
worked right we could help make

1044
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:40,849
ourselves live forever

1045
00:47:44,739 --> 00:47:43,249
and that was true and the other some

1046
00:47:47,199 --> 00:47:44,749
other was thinking that we could bring

1047
00:47:49,989 --> 00:47:47,209
people back from the dead and get all

1048
00:47:51,789 --> 00:47:49,999
these smart people that had died alive

1049
00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:51,799
again and get knowledge from them and he

1050
00:47:54,370 --> 00:47:53,119
said well if we do that the world

1051
00:47:56,829 --> 00:47:54,380
eventually it's going to become

1052
00:47:57,999 --> 00:47:56,839
overpopulated so we have to leave and he

1053
00:48:01,359 --> 00:47:58,009
was thinking about this in like the

1054
00:48:03,699 --> 00:48:01,369
1880s and if we have to leave how do we

1055
00:48:04,210 --> 00:48:03,709
do that so you figured out celestial

1056
00:48:11,710 --> 00:48:04,220
mechanic

1057
00:48:13,770 --> 00:48:11,720
in orbit orbital or equations to put

1058
00:48:16,359 --> 00:48:13,780
things into orbit like the net madison

1059
00:48:18,250 --> 00:48:16,369
energy that would be needed and you know

1060
00:48:19,540 --> 00:48:18,260
how high they would have to be and how

1061
00:48:21,460 --> 00:48:19,550
fast they would have to be doing all

1062
00:48:24,309 --> 00:48:21,470
these things he figured this out before

1063
00:48:26,290 --> 00:48:24,319
anybody knew how to get us up there and

1064
00:48:28,750 --> 00:48:26,300
he wrote books about it and these books

1065
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:28,760
were found were carried by vertebra and

1066
00:48:33,220 --> 00:48:31,130
bran when he was in Germany and later in

1067
00:48:34,809 --> 00:48:33,230
the United States so somebody with a

1068
00:48:37,089 --> 00:48:34,819
crazy idea about going into space

1069
00:48:39,460 --> 00:48:37,099
because he thought that we would be

1070
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:39,470
eventually because he thought it was

1071
00:48:44,170 --> 00:48:40,970
possible and it was inevitable

1072
00:48:45,849 --> 00:48:44,180
became an inspiration of you know what

1073
00:48:48,430 --> 00:48:45,859
happened fifty years ago this month of

1074
00:48:50,770 --> 00:48:48,440
getting to the moon and beyond mm-hmm so

1075
00:48:53,559 --> 00:48:50,780
to me that's amazing you know you have

1076
00:48:56,260 --> 00:48:53,569
people have to think in that way to be

1077
00:48:57,790 --> 00:48:56,270
able to do anything amazing and this guy

1078
00:49:00,579 --> 00:48:57,800
was thinking of it almost a hundred

1079
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:00,589
years before we made it to the moon yeah

1080
00:49:03,900 --> 00:49:02,450
there's a direct line of success or

1081
00:49:05,890 --> 00:49:03,910
whatever it was a direct line of

1082
00:49:09,220 --> 00:49:05,900
inspiration or whatever going straight

1083
00:49:12,190 --> 00:49:09,230
from him to to the space program then

1084
00:49:15,069 --> 00:49:12,200
and now in Russia and here a direct

1085
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:15,079
panel of yeah huh it's a direct path of

1086
00:49:20,020 --> 00:49:18,650
information really and yeah inspiration

1087
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:20,030
and them like we've got to do this

1088
00:49:24,550 --> 00:49:22,970
there's no way around so how do we do it

1089
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:24,560
and so that's how I think people are

1090
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:26,210
thinking about the UFO subject it's here

1091
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:28,640
people are being affected so how do we

1092
00:49:31,809 --> 00:49:30,050
get a handle on it what do we do about

1093
00:49:34,990 --> 00:49:31,819
it and I think that's becoming more

1094
00:49:36,849 --> 00:49:35,000
common as I said in science and academia

1095
00:49:39,250 --> 00:49:36,859
which I think it's great I think it's

1096
00:49:42,130 --> 00:49:39,260
wonderful I just I can't wait to hear

1097
00:49:44,290 --> 00:49:42,140
what they start saying it's it's opening

1098
00:49:47,260 --> 00:49:44,300
up and it's it's good for I think

1099
00:49:49,620 --> 00:49:47,270
everyone and it's not you know the

1100
00:49:53,319 --> 00:49:49,630
product on display is something that

1101
00:49:56,109 --> 00:49:53,329
we've hidden from ourselves for a long

1102
00:50:00,730 --> 00:49:56,119
time just because you know let's face it

1103
00:50:03,490 --> 00:50:00,740
people the the the the the way that we

1104
00:50:06,940 --> 00:50:03,500
are designed is is how does it affect us

1105
00:50:11,230 --> 00:50:06,950
and I think that you know to not raise

1106
00:50:14,559 --> 00:50:11,240
these questions and these these issues

1107
00:50:16,420 --> 00:50:14,569
would be very blind of us so I think I

1108
00:50:17,740 --> 00:50:16,430
mean it's it's a good thing it's a good

1109
00:50:20,110 --> 00:50:17,750
day it's a good you know

1110
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:20,120
the the transhumanism thing that that

1111
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:21,920
guy was talking about in the 1880s if

1112
00:50:26,850 --> 00:50:23,090
you could call it that

1113
00:50:30,580 --> 00:50:26,860
it sounds yeah fascinating how did he

1114
00:50:35,890 --> 00:50:30,590
after after after describing that did he

1115
00:50:41,710 --> 00:50:35,900
go into any of that with well he the the

1116
00:50:43,390 --> 00:50:41,720
guys should shall tell cops key his

1117
00:50:45,100 --> 00:50:43,400
basically his guru was a guy named

1118
00:50:46,350 --> 00:50:45,110
Nikolai Fedorov

1119
00:50:50,860 --> 00:50:46,360
[Music]

1120
00:50:52,690 --> 00:50:50,870
and he he I'll read from my talk he said

1121
00:50:54,580 --> 00:50:52,700
Fedorov suggested that science was a

1122
00:50:56,260 --> 00:50:54,590
tool given to us by God to enable us to

1123
00:50:58,150 --> 00:50:56,270
resurrect the dead and as promised to

1124
00:51:00,010 --> 00:50:58,160
enjoy immortal life his ideas about

1125
00:51:01,390 --> 00:51:00,020
human evolution and in particularly idea

1126
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:01,400
that humans should take control of the

1127
00:51:04,690 --> 00:51:02,930
process and directed toward their own

1128
00:51:07,870 --> 00:51:04,700
goals helped inspire generations of

1129
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:07,880
Russian scientists so yeah that that was

1130
00:51:11,850 --> 00:51:09,770
a humanist philosophy way back then

1131
00:51:14,170 --> 00:51:11,860
before people were even calling it that

1132
00:51:17,590 --> 00:51:14,180
and they didn't they didn't care about

1133
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:17,600
they cared little or in fact they were

1134
00:51:22,690 --> 00:51:20,210
very down on any kind of belief system

1135
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:22,700
that would keep humans from doing

1136
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:26,930
exactly what they wanted to and not not

1137
00:51:30,250 --> 00:51:28,610
in a bad way like you know murdering

1138
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:30,260
thousands of thousands or millions of

1139
00:51:34,240 --> 00:51:32,570
people but you know how do we live

1140
00:51:35,860 --> 00:51:34,250
longer how do we feed everybody how do

1141
00:51:37,720 --> 00:51:35,870
we get off this planet how do we fly

1142
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:37,730
through the air nobody knew how to do

1143
00:51:40,420 --> 00:51:39,050
that yet but they knew it was going to

1144
00:51:42,130 --> 00:51:40,430
come they said there's inevitable that

1145
00:51:44,170 --> 00:51:42,140
we find out how to fly so let's figure

1146
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:44,180
it out mm-hmm while other people were

1147
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:47,930
saying it was impossible right and

1148
00:51:51,550 --> 00:51:49,130
that's the kind of thinking that's

1149
00:51:57,820 --> 00:51:51,560
needed to move things forward you know

1150
00:52:00,010 --> 00:51:57,830
just not dump not not putting restraints

1151
00:52:01,090 --> 00:52:00,020
on what what what can be done I mean

1152
00:52:02,500 --> 00:52:01,100
obviously there's going to be moral

1153
00:52:03,700 --> 00:52:02,510
restraints and certain things that we

1154
00:52:06,550 --> 00:52:03,710
shouldn't between with a lot of

1155
00:52:09,010 --> 00:52:06,560
knowledge that hurt pieces

1156
00:52:14,590 --> 00:52:09,020
but anything that helps people should

1157
00:52:17,350 --> 00:52:14,600
and and increases our knowledge and it

1158
00:52:19,930 --> 00:52:17,360
makes life easier or more interesting or

1159
00:52:21,340 --> 00:52:19,940
more fun or whatever those should be

1160
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:21,350
pursued and that's I think that's what

1161
00:52:25,090 --> 00:52:22,970
the cosmos were after and I think that's

1162
00:52:27,580 --> 00:52:25,100
a lot a lot of these people I'm talking

1163
00:52:29,470 --> 00:52:27,590
about that are looking into this

1164
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:29,480
weirdness right now I think that's part

1165
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:30,930
of their I mean apart from

1166
00:52:37,579 --> 00:52:34,530
normal garden-variety wonderful human

1167
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:37,589
curiosity they're thinking you know what

1168
00:52:44,270 --> 00:52:40,650
what is going on how do we explain this

1169
00:52:46,849 --> 00:52:44,280
and and what can we do with it and about

1170
00:52:49,970 --> 00:52:46,859
it if we if we find that out and I think

1171
00:52:53,210 --> 00:52:49,980
they're they realized that all those all

1172
00:52:57,260 --> 00:52:53,220
those questions are related yeah

1173
00:53:00,950 --> 00:52:57,270
I can't I could it's it's it's such an

1174
00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:00,960
amazing thing that were you know that

1175
00:53:06,020 --> 00:53:02,730
were we're involved with these these are

1176
00:53:08,210 --> 00:53:06,030
fascinating times and it's it's okay I

1177
00:53:09,710 --> 00:53:08,220
appreciate you taking you know time out

1178
00:53:11,660 --> 00:53:09,720
of your busy schedule to be here with us

1179
00:53:13,220 --> 00:53:11,670
Greg you're you're nailing all the

1180
00:53:14,900 --> 00:53:13,230
points that I wanted you to know and you

1181
00:53:18,049 --> 00:53:14,910
know so much about it I appreciate it

1182
00:53:19,790 --> 00:53:18,059
where where can we follow you how do we

1183
00:53:23,540 --> 00:53:19,800
support you how can we keep up with

1184
00:53:25,370 --> 00:53:23,550
what's going on I don't know about the

1185
00:53:27,170 --> 00:53:25,380
only place doesn't well by the books

1186
00:53:29,780 --> 00:53:27,180
just go on Amazon and buy books from me

1187
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:29,790
what should be nice okay um I have to do

1188
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:30,930
it look up my name and there's a bunch

1189
00:53:34,339 --> 00:53:32,490
of titles there

1190
00:53:37,490 --> 00:53:34,349
I guess people mostly know wait for

1191
00:53:40,309 --> 00:53:37,500
project beta I realized to book a couple

1192
00:53:41,780 --> 00:53:40,319
years ago called it defies language and

1193
00:53:43,309 --> 00:53:41,790
it's basically a lot of stuff we're

1194
00:53:46,069 --> 00:53:43,319
talking about here except kind of an

1195
00:53:48,370 --> 00:53:46,079
embryonic form when I was first thinking

1196
00:53:53,299 --> 00:53:48,380
about it maybe ten or twelve years ago

1197
00:53:57,020 --> 00:53:53,309
and the other thing is my podcast radio

1198
00:54:03,079 --> 00:53:57,030
show radio mysterioso just sort of ra di

1199
00:54:06,049 --> 00:54:03,089
om is PE RI Oso calm and you can see

1200
00:54:09,620 --> 00:54:06,059
that I don't about ten years of shows

1201
00:54:10,910 --> 00:54:09,630
there and you know listen to them and

1202
00:54:12,620 --> 00:54:10,920
tell me what you think I'm kind of on a

1203
00:54:14,329 --> 00:54:12,630
hiatus right now because it's so much

1204
00:54:15,829 --> 00:54:14,339
stuff was going on but awesome shows

1205
00:54:17,900 --> 00:54:15,839
when I start up again I'd like to have

1206
00:54:19,670 --> 00:54:17,910
you on Ryan so we can talk about some of

1207
00:54:20,829 --> 00:54:19,680
the stuff that you've been doing if I

1208
00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:20,839
only just heard about it recently

1209
00:54:27,850 --> 00:54:24,089
through Erica and then meeting yeah man

1210
00:54:32,830 --> 00:54:30,160
anybody that hasn't heard your show has

1211
00:54:39,609 --> 00:54:32,840
to because it's it's epic it's just

1212
00:54:47,970 --> 00:54:43,200
well definitely appreciate you coming on

1213
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:47,980
Greg and I hope to talk to you soon and

1214
00:54:52,810 --> 00:54:50,530
appreciate all you're doing

1215
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:52,820
sure likewise thanks so much for having

1216
00:54:59,050 --> 00:54:54,970
me on all right take care

1217
00:55:01,510 --> 00:54:59,060
thank you there you have it ladies and

1218
00:55:04,750 --> 00:55:01,520
gentlemen Greg Bishop definitely a

1219
00:55:06,730 --> 00:55:04,760
master of his craft the harvest of that

1220
00:55:10,180 --> 00:55:06,740
is showing with all of the seeds that

1221
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:10,190
he's planting as far as knowledge and

1222
00:55:16,540 --> 00:55:13,520
and what I what I'm fascinated by with

1223
00:55:21,030 --> 00:55:16,550
Greg is his approach you know he's he's

1224
00:55:23,830 --> 00:55:21,040
very open minded and there's no

1225
00:55:26,650 --> 00:55:23,840
prejudice on his part whatsoever

1226
00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:26,660
very very harmonious speaking with him

1227
00:55:29,740 --> 00:55:28,250
and he's very established in the

1228
00:55:34,599 --> 00:55:29,750
community which is nice you know it's

1229
00:55:37,980 --> 00:55:34,609
not it's not he's here to stay and so

1230
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:37,990
I'm very blessed to have had him on and

1231
00:55:43,450 --> 00:55:41,090
frequently listen and keep up with what

1232
00:55:46,210 --> 00:55:43,460
he's doing it's it's very important on

1233
00:55:47,980 --> 00:55:46,220
that note definitely support us guys if

1234
00:55:51,550 --> 00:55:47,990
you can if you want to pick up we've got

1235
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:51,560
awesome hats t-shirts keep up with our

1236
00:55:55,750 --> 00:55:53,570
research which is coming out and I'm

1237
00:55:57,070 --> 00:55:55,760
just trying to hold off on that a little

1238
00:55:59,859 --> 00:55:57,080
bit because we don't have anything to

1239
00:56:01,300 --> 00:55:59,869
show you yet so we want to have

1240
00:56:03,190 --> 00:56:01,310
something to show you and then we can

1241
00:56:06,910 --> 00:56:03,200
start going into what we're doing but

1242
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:06,920
it's very fun so go to hero paranormal

1243
00:56:10,870 --> 00:56:09,170
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1244
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:10,880
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1245
00:56:17,140 --> 00:56:13,490
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1246
00:56:18,790 --> 00:56:17,150
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1247
00:56:21,430 --> 00:56:18,800
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1248
00:56:25,150 --> 00:56:21,440
you're on Facebook go to hero paranormal

1249
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:25,160
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1250
00:56:32,349 --> 00:56:30,770
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1251
00:56:34,630 --> 00:56:32,359
us any way you can if you want to listen

1252
00:56:37,420 --> 00:56:34,640
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1253
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:37,430
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1254
00:56:40,380 --> 00:56:39,650
width downloading it just go to hero

1255
00:56:44,230 --> 00:56:40,390
pair

1256
00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:44,240
pod bean dot-com and you can do that

1257
00:56:49,540 --> 00:56:46,640
fastest way to listen to not only our

1258
00:56:53,230 --> 00:56:49,550
podcast but a ton of others so until

1259
00:56:55,510 --> 00:56:53,240
next time keep an eye out for anything

1260
00:56:59,500 --> 00:56:55,520
that is showing you how this is

1261
00:57:02,470 --> 00:56:59,510
continuing this path of disclosure this

1262
00:57:05,740 --> 00:57:02,480
path of knowledge really that's being a

1263
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:05,750
gateway to a lot of other things keep an

1264
00:57:10,930 --> 00:57:08,210
eye out on what Greg Bishop is doing

1265
00:57:13,510 --> 00:57:10,940
he's sure to be working on a bunch of

1266
00:57:17,890 --> 00:57:13,520
new stuff that I'm sure we will

1267
00:57:20,530 --> 00:57:17,900
hopefully revisit and do well for

1268
00:57:22,460 --> 00:57:20,540
yourselves take care and keep those eyes

1269
00:57:47,030 --> 00:57:22,470
to the skies

1270
00:57:50,330 --> 00:57:47,290
[Music]

1271
00:57:59,160 --> 00:57:50,340
[Applause]

1272
00:58:04,189 --> 00:58:02,109
[Music]

1273
00:58:05,569 --> 00:58:04,199
just a little bit little kid little

1274
00:58:07,669 --> 00:58:05,579
tubes yeah but a little bit blended